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congress. >> now, a discussion on nfl players charged with domestic violence, the league response, and what action congress can take. this is 40 minutes. host: we want to turn our attention to where the organization is, leadership, and what role congress might be playing in the months ahead. joining us from new york, she writes from -- for bloomberg , kavitha davidson. goodellsell -- roger said his first priority is to get his house in order. what does that mean? guest: very little. these are words the press conference is widely panned for having a lot of a cancers and empty words. nfl has takenthe
a couple of steps in the last few weeks to attempt to address issues. added to the personal conduct policy, it took on three female advisors, the senior adviser, to have extensive work dealing with domestic violence, including the former head of the prosecution unit in new york county. he promoted one of its vice presidents to the vice president of social responsibility. she will oversee the nfl passes outreach into education programs in dealing with many of its social programs, including domestic violence. at the same time, the number one take away from this press should be thatly the nfl is in damage control. it is still trying to control its messaging. it is not doing a very good job of that right now.
we need to take everything they say with a little bit of a grain of salt. ray rice and the issue of domestic abuse violence, this is a piece with nfl. will it make a difference? have been an advocate for a long time for the league to promote more women into higher executive positions. i do not think this can be seen as anything but a positive step area it is still kind of up for grabs here. i mentioned anna, a very qualified individual who seems to actually care about the nfl's force as it can promote social good here. so far, we have heard from our husband. how she will shake up the
system. hudson to be dawn the cmo of the league. she will be the first woman to directly report to roger goodell. i think we can take it as a that she will finally have female voices they may or not listen to. what moves the needle with the nfl? as the cfo, the husband's number one job will to -- will be to smooth over the relationship the league has had with sponsors, many of whom have publicly expressed discontent with the thishe leak has handled domestic violence issue. really, when the sponsors get angry, that is really when the nfl seems to act. >> i want to ask you to respond to this piece published on september 17 in the washington post. the nflgovernment helps
maintain its power and profitability. law intion signed into 1961 by john f. kennedy, the nfl tax-freeasically a zone. the owners pay taxes, but the nfl itself is a nonprofit. the nfl commissioner, roger goodell, earns $34 million a year. guest: yes. it is a little bit complicated. you have to understand the oregon -- the origins of its tax exempt status. really written and to solidify the task of in 1961, when the afl and the nfl were trying to merge. helping in support of those who grow.
in exchange for that, what he promised to certain politicians were teams growing up in those cities, particularly the new orleans teams, a direct result of this somewhat could program -- quid pro quo that happened. a remarkable thinker the nfl is not a nonprofit as a charity. it is a nonprofit trade organization. the 38 or sons is, other teams that do pay taxes, but the lead office does not. teamsct that the themselves do pay taxes as a fact to dispel the notion of a menace -- of a tax-free zone. there are a number of fallacies. -- the relationship the league has with its team is not
a separate entity or a separation of power relationship. the nfl league office itself is not in the business of football so much anymore. for the teams to build new stadiums or renovate new stadiums. the taxes actually allow them to offer these loans in more favorable terms than otherwise. the third part of that is each individual team pays dues for the nfl. much more quickly than if it did not have that exception. the nfl exit tell you the league office itself runs in the red and does not operate at a profit. but it still does benefit the
other 30 teams that benefit and enormous profit. thursday night football on cbs, the nfl on the networks on sunday, fox, tbs, and sunday night football on nbc, and monday night football on espn. collectively, the nfl brings in about $7 billion a year. just from these television deals. guest: the television deals are a huge part of the nfl causes business. that is one of the ways we have been able to move public opinion. it is separate from antitrust exception. major league baseball is the only sports league that actually enjoys a full antitrust exemption. under the sports broadcasting act, the nfl does enjoy a slight exemption, particularly when it comes to their tv deals. that is the bread and butter of for their money comes from. that would really hit the nfl bottom line much more than a tax
exemption would. component as the debate continues in washington dc over the debate over the team indians a scene to the population to the country and now some indian lawmakers are trying to use that as a way to force dan snyder to change the way -- the name of the football team. it has been a long political battle over the team name. on the one hand, i personally data is in and most native americans find the term offensive and we should stop using it get on the other hand, i am a little bit skeptical of politicians using it as a political issue to gain points with the base before midterms perhaps. i do not know if there is anything congress could actually do to force a name change but increased public spirit and he,
again, when the sponsors start getting worried, that is what is going to change these things. a recent south park episode lampoons the entire affair. john stewart discussed it. over this isutrage really what is going to force a change, more than anything congress could really do, frankly. guest joining us from new york. alice is joining us from florida. independent line. good morning. caller: hello. host: go ahead, al. the question is, why does the federal government get involved in all -- at all in this? why isn't congress doing something about the people out of work in the country? and getting industry back into instead of keeping
it out of this country. how are you going to get people the to work to build economy again? as far as i can see, the economy is in the toilet right now. the call toyou for the nfl has strong lobbying in washington dc. how strong? $1.6 billion has been spent in campaigns. 26 lobbyists on its payrolls. it is nice to see bills introduced to try to repeal the tax exempt and enforce them to do something on the domestic violence issue, the money talks and tells you nothing will really happy and -- happen and this is a political issue to use points for the elections. on those lines, i will agree if
congress was doing its job with the violence against women act and tried to reach across the get every single gop representatives who voted weinst the expansion, then would not have to rely on the nfl to dole out justice when the criminal justice system should have been doing that in the first place. host: democrats line, good morning. listening toe been this incident, especially with domestic violence going on in the last few weeks with the nfl, think stems from, i don't congress should get involved. the problem with the nfl and some of these players today starts with a lot of these gentlemen are young. first of all, they're told they are god's greatest gift to the universe and they are given special treatment through college. if you watch college sports, especially when we look at teams like florida state and what is going on right now, and how he
has been in all types of trouble , they are bringing profits, billions of dollars. now the nfl is already in their hands. it stems from when there are little all the way up to when they are grown. these parents raise young men to teach them how to be men and teach them they are not above the law. and guess what question mark things will not change. it is unfortunate what happened with the ray rice and his life in the elevator. i find it disgusting the woman went ahead and marry this man anyway. it is unfortunate we live in a society where sun women, -- some women, what about their self-esteem? is money really that important that you're going to let this man do whatever it takes just
for the money? host: thank you for the call. guest: i get comments like this all the time, to address the end hisis question, asking why wife married him at the end of this is the wrong question. it is victim blaming their it is blame shifting. it is lame deflection. it is the wrong question. the question we should be asking was the first part of the comment, which was, why was ray rice hitting his fiancée? players gets the nfl, it is a good example of that. you canit is being told do no wrong, that your football prowess contributes to your contributions to society. masculinity and whether violence can be compartmentalized on and off the
field, all of that is true. the reason congress has a reason to get involved, though it is more for political points right now than anything said daschle, is that the nfl's tax exemption is indicative of how the nfl is seen as being untouchable and greater than it actually is, and sports in general. the underlying assumption in tax exemptions in that way is that, in some way, the nfl is doing social good. i'm a huge football fan and sports fan, but i think we can probably argue the nfl's primary reason for existence is not to do social good or contribute to our culture. it is to make a lot of money, and it is doing that well. what we see other than the tax exemption is certain concessions made to various sports teams, not just in football. we see stadium taxes actions, -- tax exemptions, zoning laws, and the nfl are able to threaten us
with leaving cities or moving or something that holds a city and our collective culture hostage in a way. i think the nfl is a rightful target of this. is absolute true we need to start a dressing this at the ncaa level and really try to get issue heart of what this in the nfl means as a lens for why we have such a big domestic violence issue in society as a whole. . . .
there is no reason to believe his job is in jeopardy. roger goodell is the man in the front. he is the self-coke and executioner when it comes to policy and discipline. at the end of the day, he is really just doing the owner's bidding. increased the , there is nos incentive for the owners to oust him. frankly, if he were ousted, you would not see any real institutional change. he would just be falling on the the shieldlling on because these owners are still going to do things in their own bidding. it were because he would just be doing the owners' bidding.
mueller has overseen two political parties, but at the same time i don't think you can call this investigation independent. for one thing mueller's law firm was the law firm to negotiate the multi billion dollar television deal with tv, there is conflict with that. but this is over seen by john mara and rooney, who are two of the most respected faces, owners of the nfl, but also two of roger g
i do see that you have situations that attract attention, and i do believe that , when the, like the nfl, you have the ncaa and other national organizations such as the soccer organization, there is a responsibility. thinkalso wonder what you of the fact that it is not really men with women, it is also women with men, it is also women with children. basically, these are individuals that are defenseless. they are abused.
and yet, these individuals can still go on with life. the reason i am talking about the hope solo incident is because this hasn't been covered on news as well. it is737-0002 --guest: true that men are victims of domestic abuse and they are not talk about as much as women. the reason that we characterize it as a 85% of the victims are still women. those facts are undeniable. solo, shemes to hope should not be on the field. she should not still be playing. she definitely should not have been promoted to captain while this was ongoing. but it is important to remember that the reason we are talking
about ray rice more than we are talking about hope solo is not just because she is a woman. about also not talking floyd mayweather, who has his own troubling history with domestic violence, and is not a woman. facts more to do with the that the nfl commands a so much public presence in american society. the nfl makes so much money. ray rice is a particular start -- or was a particular start -- in that sport. ,nd the nfl has a long history a pattern of ignoring domestic violence, of treating it lightly. and as far as we know, u.s. soccer does not have the same pattern. while hope solo should be held to the same standard as ray rice, it is disingenuous to compare the two situations because they are not quite the same. do you think ray rice will play again? right now, i did it is
unimaginable that anyone would want to touch them, but fans have short memories. if you asked me about michael vick if you years ago, i would say that there would be no chance would be back in the league. host: jeffrey from springville, tennessee. good morning, jeff. caller: i have a question for her. why is the press so focused on lood out on the nfl -- goodel and the nfl and not on the das who dropped the charges and do not put these people in jail? too much focus is given to goodell and not the real issue. the bottom line is, if ray rice had been put on house arrest and put a that had a monitor put on his ankle he would not have been put on draw a salary -- house arrest and had a monitor
waste on his ankle he would not have been able to draw a salary. i am a sports writer, so that is what i cover. but a lot of the coverage does talk about the failure of the justice system to do with the issue. about congressk getting involved, we say it with a caveat that if they were doing their jobs with the violence against women act and the affordable care act, but does provide more protection for domestic violence victims by giving the mental health , -- dipping them mental health coverage, we were not have to rely on the nfl -- we would not have to rely on the nfl. the reason that we are talking about it with the nfl is that it is an extreme example. it provides a great lens to the broader issue, which is a broader societal issue. how we excuse away much of these behaviors.
you still have fans wearing ray rice jerseys as he is a nice guy. -- because he is a nice guy. and because janay still married him. this provides an example of what every day people who do not have famous husbands and videotape backing them up, what they go through. host: this is the question, politicsthe merger of and the nfl, frank has played a role in all of this in terms of working in part with the nfl. what is his role? frank and the nfl both currently deny that he is helping the nfl with their messaging on domestic violence, but it is hard to take that seriously. advisor he has been an to the nfl, directly advising the panthers.
in addition to that, if you soundbites,ell's these are from the frank playbook on how to control your messaging and steer the narrative towards your favor. conference the press , which was overwhelmingly panda bymedia and fans -- panned media and fans, frank went on fox sports and praised him. he said that it was an exemplary form, an exemplary press conference. he was the only person praising this. takenk that we need to this with skepticism given his relationship with the nfl which is still listed on his website as a major client. what does it take you
about frank and fox sports? it damages their credibility, unfortunately. i think that the hiring was initially lampooned and ,riticized back in february because, what contributions does you have to give us when it comes to sports analytics? the only thing that he does give is wordsrds -- us and pr. the problem with them treating it lightly from the get-go was the attempt to backtrack. it has created more questions than answers. robert in california. good morning. caller: good morning. i have a little statement i would like to make before i pose a question.
you know, we have the highest income tax rate in the world. we have $5 trillion in money. and then people do not understand. you racy text to exxon, they take that -- you raise the tax to exxon, they markup. who pays that tax? the consumer pays corporate tax. and when the tax get so high that the corporation can no longer compete with foreign corporations, they do what microsoft is doing annapolis doing and leave the united states. -- and apple is doing and leave the united states. that, i would like to say, why does the nfl have to pay any tax at all? the players make money, the cities make money. the cities cannot afford to build the stadium's. a billion dollars.
how can be city afford that? caller: that may talk to that point, because in baltimore, there is a private and public partnership. caller: and it takes all of that to get it done. look at the benefits. entertainment. what are you going to do with the millions of people who go to work every week and they have nothing to do except to enjoyed -- enjoy the football or enjoy rock concerts or enjoy opera? let me stop you there. you made your point, we are short on time. guest: this demonstrates how powerful the nfl's messaging has been on this issue. would be att we
risk of losing the nfl if they had to pay taxes is ludicrous. and it would not make a huge difference in our coffers. the real problem is the underlying assumption that the nfl is somehow something we cannot live without and that we would have to live without if they had to pay taxes. they make $9 billion a year, and if they had to pay a couple hundred million dollars, and were not even be that much, it would not cripple them. not be facing competition from the cfl or arena football. football doest more good than it brings in money is such a fallacy. and i do not understand where it comes from. i understand why it has been sustained this long. to address a specific part of that, like you mentioned, much of the problem here is that
cities do subsidize stadiums. comes to not wanting to lose our team, which is never a real threat, frankly, it is an empty threat, and it is never actually going to hold true, i we havefter baltimore -- had to do without so much deal with that so much. video the public teens from subsidizing -- the idea that the public benefits from subsidizing these is ridiculous. billions ofng dollars to subsidize stadiums for owners that make billions of dollars from their teams. information is out there that fans feel like they will lose their team if the nfl has to pay taxes. but the nfl is not facing any major competition, and frankly, any notion that they would go anywhere is kind of out of touch with reality.
and sasha meeting the point that you just indicated on the twitter page, saying who paid for george w. bush's texas ranger stadium? public-private partnerships. that includes taxpayer dollars. guest: absolutely. in new york, millions were given in the middle of a recession. the one in brooklyn received similar deductions. it is not just football, it is this notion that we cannot live without sports, and it is up to the public defund the stadiums. -- to fund the stadiums. what of the data suggests that the stadiums do not do much for the local economy. the overall effect is not a tactful on local economies -- is
on localtfull economies. that is a red herring. host: philip from vermont. democrats line. caller: you made a lot of really good points. start with, roger goodell does not deserve to be paid millions in anybody's mind because he is a figurehead. unfortunately, with all the deals and the money paid by the , thisnd the stadium scam is all money stolen from the taxpayers in my opinion. so thank you for your comments. guest: thank you. it is true, this is money stolen from the taxpayers. the overall impact would not be very much, because the nfl
office technically does run in the red. more coveted than just the nfl individual finances. oft happened is that each these teams would have to pay somewhere around 10 or $15 million a year in taxes more than they do now. that is more money than nothing, and it would make a significant impact. but it is really just the idea that the nfl should be this ,orce for social good, and is and isn't really anything but a money printing business, that underlies these assumptions. host: that is the point from another viewer on our twitter page. the owners are not stupid. they do not invest their own money when they can use someone else's. -- guest: that is absolutely true.
in 2012, and the last filing -- that is released, a big thank you from owners who get a lot from him. and they get favorable terms on mortgages and financing deals and loans when it does come time to build a new stadium or to renovate one. he is definitely doing their there is no reason to believe that he would go anywhere, and there is no reason to believe that if he were to resign anything would actually change. texas.nna from good morning. caller: good morning. about young men, a lot of them are 19 or 20 or 21, what not had any experience in raising families or being husbands. it starts with the colleges.
son, when he went to college, he was not greeted by academia. he was greeted by cheerleaders. and then they set up parties for them when they visit. was in the nba, but he did not have any domestic problems because of our relationship with him and training him. but the nfl, when they first recruit, they should be set up for young men with how they adjust to a new lifestyle. how the colleges, what they did in academia. and if there were any problems. and there should be a training class for them. all of this should be a part of the training. we do not do that. we look at them as gladiators or
mandingos. ben roethlisberger, we never talked about all of the things that he did. ray rice is not the worst person to pick a woman. here in texas, two women, domestic problems, killed by white men. it is a national problem. until we address that, we will never clean this up. but it starts at the college level. . host: before we get a response, let me ask you about your son. what is his name? caller: michael williams. host: what is he doing today? -- caller: yes a company. -- he has a company. he is one of the largest minority contractors in the state of texas. and his thing, he tries to go
and talk to schools and young men. also, my nephew, who was on a scholarship and played at texas university. he is a vice president of a bank. it is all about how you are raised and what your environment is. and we do not know what ray rice's environment -- we have another problem. "in florida. what is going to happen? he seems to be a great football player. but what is going to happen to him? you draft him and he is a hot button. if we do not decide right now to go in and educate this young man to respect people, not just , for, but respect people the state has a history --
florida state has a history of young men that they like the women do whatever they want to do. it needs to stop at the ncaa level. host: i want to thank you very much for calling and ensuring your stories. finish your thought. caller: the other thing i was going to say is that the young man who plays with the patriots. if he was in gang violence, the nfl didn't know that? a lot of times we have to tell our young men, sometimes they have to leave the people behind who were their bodies. -- their buddies. because if they do not have the same job and they have all of this money, the buddies are coming for them. they will supply them with drugs and fast women. the do not take them to the 20 churches. -- the community churches. of the players have no
affiliation with the minority to be an church. host: that is what we saw with the aaron hernandez situation. caller: that is what i am talking about. i'm going to stop you there, thank you for calling in and sharing your personal account. guest: there is a lot there. the first thing that i will say is that it is important to note the nba,nfl, professional baseball, they all have some form of that program. there is some sort of effort to help adapt these and men who have not been taught -- these young men who have not been taught the skills in college. to notis hard to go letting your entourage that advantage of you. it has not been enough.
the nfl is right now tried to overhaul the dumbest the crown's policy to include the caller was talking about, educational --grams that will not only overhauled the domestic education policy to include what the caller was talking about. it will be anyone in the organization. in addition to providing outreach to family members, spouses and children, anyone in the nfl family in that way. but, in addition to that, it does seem that the nfl has a most of the help of major to mystic violence coalitions -- major domestic violence coalitions to do community outreach at the youth level. to go into the communities and do educational outreach there. again, i think that we need to take the skeptically. -- take this skeptically.
it is good that they are listening to outside voices and are including women's groups. to help them formulate some of the policy. but at the end of the day, that does not serve the nfl's interest to address this properly, and what that means if it does not serve their branding, to me have little reason to believe that the moves will be significant. lisa davidson is running us from the sports beat. -- joining us from the sports beat for bloomberg. thank you for joining us on c-span. now a quick look at the potential presidential candidates in 2016. >> it is now or never for jeb
bush. always the flickering possibility of mounting a campaign down the road. but at 61 years old, the second son of former president george herbert walker bush is now likely facing his last shot at the white house. ben white sent out this tweet was sent out a short time ago. if you're up, joining us live on the phone. thank you for being with us. >> thanks for having me, i appreciate it. >> how serious is this? >> i think it is very serious. i think he is close to the decision. as i wrote in the piece, it probably comes after the midterms. i think on the issues he would very much like to run as a person that thinks he could present leadership to the country. i think he would very much like to run. i think there are serious personal considerations on how it would impact his family. his wife is not keen on his running. she has never been someone but enjoys the political spotlight. he's also a grandfather three
times over. as his potential opponent hillary clinton is now a grandmother. he needs to make a decision whether his passion for the issues and the leadership he could provide for the republican party outweighs a lot of family concerns. and he has to decide if he has the passion to do it. if he does it it will be a tough , race in the primaries for him. it will be challenging. he will need to go all in. i thought it was interesting the article you mentioned earlier about he was getting in shape and losing weight. somebody told me, you see him losing weight and getting fit, i would move the odds toward the run because he needs to be in political fighting shape so he can get out there and mix it up. i think it would be 60/40 that he does. >> when we hear the phrase the republican establishment. and i want to first ask you is there such a thing? and i mention that because with
mitt romney and chris christie being talked about as potential candidates in 2016 someone that the establishment could line up in support of. what's your assessment of all of that? >> there is such a thing. it's less of a powerhouse than it was before, given the tea party revolution that we've seen, the younger generation of republicans who don't feel that they are holding to anyone in the so-called establishment. but it would be those in the chamber of commerce and wall street and elsewhere who are fiscal conservatives and who are more focused on the fiscal issues and like to legislate and get things done. rather than have ideological purity tests. as you mention, that establishment has certainly nominated the presidential candidate in the past. mitt romney being one of them,
george w. bush followed by john mccain. so jeb is -- fits very much into that mold. and i think would want to be -- he would not call himself the establishment candidate, he would call himself the best antidote to win the general election. i think one big question surrounding all of this is 2016 the year where movement conservatives and tea party conservatives just throw off the establishment and say we want to nominate one of our own. you say we cannot win in the general, we will find out about that. and could chris christie get the nomination away from somebody like a rand paul or a tom cruise -- ted cruz. we'll see how that plays out. but jeb would come out of that mold. he can actually parlay to a nomination remains to be seen. >> the other headline, this from "the washington post" where
senator ted cruz winning in the poll following by ben carson. the neurosurgeon from maryland. coming in third was mike huckabee. course, is the court tea party conservative component of the republican party. when you hear about jeb bush and that is bush fatigue. >> yes, serious concern that he's well aware of, but it will not be against him in both primary and potentially the general. and i see it whenever i write a , story about jeb bush there's a immediate reaction on twitter and elsewhere, no more bush. not another bush. and he's aware if he were to run he would have to make it clear very quickly to people he's not in the mold of his brother or father. he's his own man on ideas on education, on immigration, on economy. and so people on jeb the person
and get beyond the idea that he is just another bush. i think he can probably do that. anybody who follows them closely knows that he is a guy of serious policy ideas and serious leadership and vision. disagree if you will. i don't think he'll come across and say this is just another bush. will it be a detriment to him throughout the campaign? sure. but those people who say not another bush probably wouldn't have voted for bush in the first place. and the rest who are on the fence i think he can sway with his ideas in policy. and he, a lot of the people that i talk to say to me that at one point he will have to make it clear that this is not a continuation of the george w. white house. george w is sort of popular now, but everybody remembers when he left office he had a terribly low approval rating. it's a concern, but i don't
think it will keep him out of a race. we will look for your reporting online -->> we will look for your reporting online on politico.com. anderson discusses the threat that ices and other islamic extremist groups both to the u.s. and its allies. the muslimdent of affairs council, talks about the impact of the front interfaces on muslim americans. and we continue our conversation andublic policy issues higher education with dr. mark, president of the university of michigan. take yourwe will calls and you can join the conversation on facebook and twitter. "washington journal," live at synagogue in eastern on c-span -- 7:00 a.m. eastern on c-span. up next, a q&a with sally
quinn. after that, the british labor leaders speak at his party's annual conference. and then the british house of commons debate on the response to ices. -- to >> this week on "q&a," our guest is sally quinn, founding editor and columnist of "on faith" and faithstreet.com. she talks about her career as a columnist for the "washington post" and her change from being an atheist to someone of faith. she also speaks about her long marriage to ben bradlee. >> sally quinn, on january 19 of